The podcast explores the surprising origins of Christmas and Santa Claus, tracing them back to pre-Christian festivals like Saturnalia and mythological figures such as Odin and Hannibal. The hosts examine how St. Nicholas evolved from a generous bishop into a global icon, while earlier, darker prototypes—like Spain’s child-snatching 'el Hombre del Saco' or the feared 'black man' of Mediterranean lore—reveal Santa’s boogeyman ancestry. They discuss how Roman celebrations of role reversal and chaos were absorbed into Christian tradition, serving as cultural pressure valves. The conversation highlights the transformation of Odin’s eight-legged steed Sleipnir into Santa’s reindeer team and critiques the commercialization of Santa in the 20th century. Ultimately, the episode uncovers how fear, charity, and inversion have long been woven into the fabric of winter festivities, long before red suits and sleigh rides became dominant.