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#475 – Demis Hassabis: Future of AI, Simulating Reality, Physics and Video Games

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#475 – Demis Hassabis: Future of AI, Simulating Reality, Physics and Video Games

Lex Fridman Podcast

Jul 23
Lex Fridman Podcast

Lex Fridman Podcast

Jul 23
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Demis Hassabis is the CEO of Google DeepMind and Nobel Prize winner for his groundbreaking work in protein structure prediction using AI. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep475-sc See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/demis-hassabis-2-transcript CONTACT LEX: Feedback - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey AMA - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama Hiring - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring Other - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact EPISODE LINKS: Demis's X: https://x.com/demishassabis DeepMind's X: https://x.com/GoogleDeepMind DeepMind's Instagram: https://instagram.com/GoogleDeepMind DeepMind's Website: https://deepmind.google/ Gemini's Website: https://gemini.google.com/ Isomorphic Labs: https://isomorphiclabs.com/ The MANIAC (book): https://amzn.to/4lOXJ81 Life Ascending (book): https://amzn.to/3AhUP7z SPONSORS: To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: Hampton: Community for high-growth founders and CEOs. Go to https://joinhampton.com/lex Fin: AI agent for customer service. Go to https://fin.ai/lex Shopify: Sell stuff online. Go to https://shopify.com/lex LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://drinkLMNT.com/lex AG1: All-in-one daily nutrition drink. Go to https://drinkag1.com/lex OUTLINE: (00:00) - Introduction (00:29) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections (08:40) - Learnable patterns in nature (12:22) - Computation and P vs NP (21:00) - Veo 3 and understanding reality (25:24) - Video games (37:26) - AlphaEvolve (43:27) - AI research (47:51) - Simulating a biological organism (52:34) - Origin of life (58:49) - Path to AGI (1:09:35) - Scaling laws (1:12:51) - Compute (1:15:38) - Future of energy (1:19:34) - Human nature (1:24:28) - Google and the race to AGI (1:42:27) - Competition and AI talent (1:49:01) - Future of programming (1:55:27) - John von Neumann (2:04:41) - p(doom) (2:09:24) - Humanity (2:12:30) - Consciousness and quantum computation (2:18:40) - David Foster Wallace (2:25:54) - Education and research PODCAST LINKS: - Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast - Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr - Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 - RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ - Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 - Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/lexclips

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In this wide-ranging conversation, Demis Hassabis, CEO of Google DeepMind and Nobel Prize winner, joins Lex Fridman to explore the frontiers of artificial intelligence, science, and human nature. The discussion moves from the technical challenges of AI research to broader philosophical questions about consciousness, the origins of life, and the future of energy. Hassabis reflects on his work in developing AI systems like AlphaFold and Veo 3, while also touching on the societal implications of artificial general intelligence and the ethical responsibilities of researchers.
00:00
Demis Hassabis is a Nobel Prize winner working on intelligence and the mysteries of the universe.
00:29
Fin.ai is an AI customer-service agent with high resolution rates
08:40
Natural systems have structure due to evolutionary processes, allowing for efficient modeling.
18:10
Neural networks can solve complex problems if the objective function is well-defined
21:00
Veo 3 demonstrates intuitive physics understanding similar to a human child
25:25
AI could enable dynamic, personalized narratives in games within 5-10 years.
37:26
Hybrid AI systems may push beyond current knowledge in science and medicine.
43:27
AI lacks the creativity to formulate meaningful scientific conjectures.
47:51
AlphaFold3 models dynamic interactions between proteins, RNA, and DNA.
57:35
The speaker hopes to join storm chasers in Texas who use advanced models for storm prediction.
58:56
AGI may be achieved by 2030, but requires consistent intelligence across all tasks including invention and creativity.
1:09:35
There is confidence in AI's continued scaling and Google DeepMind's research capacity for breakthroughs.
1:14:15
AI is expected to materially help with energy efficiency and fusion reactors in five years
1:15:38
Energy abundance could enable a type one Kardashev civilization in 100 years
1:19:34
Games provide a safe environment to experience winning and losing, which is important for self-improvement and understanding the world.
1:40:45
AI assistants reflect human preferences, creating new product-space challenges
1:45:11
Those committed to AGI research are driven by its potential as the most important technology of our time.
1:49:04
Those who use AI tools will dominate the future of programming, outperforming those who resist them.
2:04:21
Science is a beautiful connector and a collaborative endeavor
2:04:41
The speaker believes the probability of human civilization's self-destruction due to AI is non-zero and non-negligible but highly uncertain.
2:15:32
Radical empathy may help us understand AI and non-human life.
2:22:28
Science adds to the mystery and awe of a flower, according to Feynman.
2:32:59
Hope that people don't get too caught up in negativity

Chapters

Introduction
00:00
Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
00:29
Learnable patterns in nature
08:40
Computation and P vs NP
12:22
Veo 3 and understanding reality
21:00
Video games
25:24
AlphaEvolve
37:26
AI research
43:27
Simulating a biological organism
47:51
Origin of life
52:34
Path to AGI
58:49
Scaling laws
1:09:35
Compute
1:12:51
Future of energy
1:15:38
Human nature
1:19:34
Google and the race to AGI
1:24:28
Competition and AI talent
1:42:27
Future of programming
1:49:01
John von Neumann
1:55:27
p(doom)
2:04:41
Humanity
2:09:24
Consciousness and quantum computation
2:12:30
David Foster Wallace
2:18:40
Education and research
2:25:54

Transcript

Lex Fridman: The following is a conversation with Demis Hassabis, his second time on the podcast. He is the leader of Google DeepMind and is now a Nobel Prize winner. Demis is one of the most brilliant and fascinating minds in the world today, working on u...