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Anthropic Head of Pretraining on Scaling Laws, Compute, and the Future of AI

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Anthropic Head of Pretraining on Scaling Laws, Compute, and the Future of AI

Y Combinator Startup Podcast

Oct 01
Y Combinator Startup Podcast

Y Combinator Startup Podcast

Oct 01
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Ever wonder what it actually takes to train a frontier AI model?YC General Partner Ankit Gupta sits down with Nick Joseph, Anthropic's Head of Pre-training, to explore the engineering challenges behind training Claude—from managing thousands of GPUs and de...

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Training frontier AI models is less about theoretical breakthroughs and more about solving real-world engineering challenges at an unprecedented scale. In this conversation, Nick Joseph, Anthropic's Head of Pre-training, reveals how the journey from concept to capable AI is shaped not by algorithms alone, but by infrastructure, hardware constraints, and the relentless pursuit of efficiency across thousands of GPUs.
04:08
Auto-regressive modeling enables direct text generation and product integration.
10:41
Anthropic built their own all-reduce implementation to scale beyond existing AI labs.
12:46
Operating at the Torch.matmul level allows fine-grained control over GPU computations.
21:31
A broken GPU can masquerade as a model training failure.
26:04
TPU clusters are better suited for inference due to higher HBM bandwidth requirements
28:13
Determining the right balance between pre-training and RL is an empirical question that's hard to resolve organizationally.
34:34
Using current AI models to train better ones risks propagating distributional errors.
38:41
Startups can shape AI lab practices by developing credible, targeted evaluation frameworks.
42:43
Post-training allows fast iteration and is a primary source of current alignment.
49:24
Cursed bugs in AI training can halt progress for months due to deep-stack complexity.
57:47
Smarter models and efficient inference are key to scaling AI under compute limits

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What drives the evolution of AI safety and pre-training today?
00:00
How do scaling laws shape the path to smarter AI models?
04:08
What happens when scaling hits unexpected roadblocks?
08:39
Why did Anthropic bet on building its own infrastructure from scratch?
12:46
How does team structure impact the efficiency of AI development?
19:28
What hidden hardware hurdles emerge when training at massive scale?
23:57
Is pre-training still worth the investment compared to post-training methods?
28:13
Can we trust the internet to provide high-quality training data?
32:23
How does low-quality or malicious content affect model behavior?
36:31
What does it mean to align AI with human values—and how do we enforce it?
41:01
Why are fast iteration loops crucial for effective model training?
47:04
What lies beyond scale: smarter architectures or better efficiency?
55:51

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Ankit Gupta: Hey guys, I'm thrilled to be joined today by Nick Joseph, the head of pre-training at Anthropic. To give viewers a high-level sense of what we'll be covering, we're going to start with the basics of what pre-training is, and then dig into how ...