Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence — Lewis Bollard
Dwarkesh Podcast
Aug 07
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence — Lewis Bollard
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence — Lewis Bollard

Dwarkesh Podcast
Aug 07
In a thought-provoking conversation with Lewis Bollard of Open Philanthropy, the discussion centers on the complex intersection of animal welfare, industrial efficiency, and technological innovation in the meat industry. While factory farming remains a highly efficient but ethically troubling system, the episode explores how both policy and emerging technologies could significantly reduce the suffering of billions of animals. The conversation also delves into the surprising economic and political forces that sustain the current system, and what it might take to shift toward a more humane future.
The podcast explores the economic efficiency of factory farming and how it has entrenched animal suffering rather than alleviated it. The conversation highlights the strategic misstep of focusing animal welfare efforts on individual dietary choices rather than systemic reform. Promising interventions, such as in ovo sexing technology, are already sparing hundreds of millions of animals annually. The discussion also covers the potential for higher welfare breeds and humane innovations to coexist with economic viability. Despite the low cost of many reforms—where $1 can prevent over a decade of suffering—funding remains limited. Political challenges are also examined, particularly the influence of the meat lobby and the structural power imbalances in the industry. Corporate campaigns, however, have proven effective, with major chains committing to cage-free systems. The episode ultimately underscores the overlooked but high-impact opportunities to reshape the meat industry for both animals and consumers.
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Alternative proteins receive billions in VC funding versus less than $10 million for humane tech annually
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Lasting change must come through government and corporate reform, not personal dietary choices
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Inovo Sexing prevents the killing of male chicks by identifying egg gender early
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Breeding birds are starved to prevent collapse under their own genetics.
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A dollar can avert over 10 years of animal suffering due to the neglected nature of farm animal welfare.
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Germany has reduced animal suffering through policy reforms after reaching a certain level of national wealth.
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The meat lobby spends $45 million per election cycle despite representing less than 1% of Americans.
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Contract farming often traps small farmers with debt and limited options.
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Costco sells cage-free eggs at competitive prices, challenging industry norms.