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#473 – Iran War Debate: Nuclear Weapons, Trump, Peace, Power & the Middle East

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#473 – Iran War Debate: Nuclear Weapons, Trump, Peace, Power & the Middle East

Lex Fridman Podcast

Jun 26
Lex Fridman Podcast

Lex Fridman Podcast

Jun 26
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Debate on Iran war between Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz. Scott Horton is the author and director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, and for the past three decades, a staunch critic of U.S. foreign policy and military interventionism. Mark Dubowitz is the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, host of the Iran Breakdown podcast, and a leading expert on Iran and its nuclear program for over 20 years. This debate was recorded on Tuesday, June 24, after the Iran-Israel ceasefire was declared. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep473-sc See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/iran-war-debate-transcript CONTACT LEX: Feedback - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey AMA - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama Hiring - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring Other - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact EPISODE LINKS: Mark's X: https://x.com/mdubowitz Mark's Podcast: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmEsAFBNkqsMQnt5pypwEX0ul0NyIjd3E The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD): https://www.fdd.org/ Scott's X: https://x.com/scotthortonshow Scott's YouTube: https://youtube.com/@scotthortonshow Scott's Podcast: https://www.scotthortonshow.com/ Scott's Website: https://scotthorton.org/ Scott's Books: https://amzn.to/3T9Qg7y The Libertarian Institute: https://libertarianinstitute.org/ Antiwar.com: https://antiwar.com/ SPONSORS: To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: Hampton: Community for high-growth founders and CEOs. Go to https://joinhampton.com/lex Notion: Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to https://notion.com/lex Shopify: Sell stuff online. Go to https://shopify.com/lex Oracle: Cloud infrastructure. Go to https://oracle.com/lex LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://drinkLMNT.com/lex OUTLINE: (00:00) - Introduction (00:36) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections (08:02) - Iran-Israel War (16:45) - Iran's Nuclear Program (48:37) - Nuclear weapons and uranium (1:00:40) - Nuclear deal (1:26:14) - Iran Nuclear Archive (1:48:50) - Best case and worst case near-term future (2:24:15) - US attack on Iran - Operation Midnight Hammer (2:47:48) - Nuclear proliferation in the future (3:08:46) - Libertarianism (3:21:35) - Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) (3:37:10) - Trump and Peacemaking process (3:42:08) - WW2 (3:55:08) - WW3

Highlights

In a tense and wide-ranging debate recorded shortly after the Iran-Israel ceasefire announcement, Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz present opposing views on U.S. foreign policy, Iran's nuclear ambitions, and the risks of military escalation in the Middle East.
14:05
Iran's 60% enrichment is a latent deterrent, not a bomb-making effort.
46:14
Iran is not racing to build a nuclear bomb but using enrichment as a bargaining chip.
48:40
60% enriched uranium is 99% of the way to weapons-grade
1:19:57
The 'smoking laptop' evidence of Iran's nuclear weapons program was forged by Israelis and funneled through the MEK cult.
1:47:26
US and Israeli actions, like Natanz sabotage and deal withdrawal, pushed Iran to enrich uranium to 60%
2:05:37
Iran has enriched uranium to 60%, close to weapons-grade level.
2:44:29
Al-Qaeda attacked the U.S. because of American support for Israel and regional dictatorships, not because they hated freedom.
2:47:48
A U.S. attack on Iran could lead to nuclear proliferation.
3:08:47
War prevents limited government at home by expanding state power.
3:32:48
Trump uses military power selectively to deter anti-American regimes.
3:39:52
Trump should send a clear message to both the Iranians and Putin that he's serious about using American power if they don't accept his offers.
3:47:28
Iran offered full negotiations in 2003 on nuclear program, Afghanistan, and Iraq, including trading bin Laden affiliates for the MEK, but the U.S. refused.
4:09:43
A strong military is crucial for peace, but the U.S. must beware of the military-industrial complex's unwarranted influence.

Chapters

Introduction
00:00
Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
00:36
Iran-Israel War
08:02
Iran's Nuclear Program
16:45
Nuclear weapons and uranium
48:37
Nuclear deal
1:00:40
Iran Nuclear Archive
1:26:14
Best case and worst case near-term future
1:48:50
US attack on Iran - Operation Midnight Hammer
2:24:15
Nuclear proliferation in the future
2:47:48
Libertarianism
3:08:46
Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD)
3:21:35
Trump and Peacemaking process
3:37:10
WW2
3:42:08
WW3
3:55:08

Transcript

Lex Fridman: The following is a debate between Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz on the topic of Iran and Israel. Scott Horton is author and editorial director of antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, and for the past three decades, a staunch critic of ...