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Why China's manufacturing economy is dominating — Arthur Kroeber

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Why China's manufacturing economy is dominating — Arthur Kroeber

Dwarkesh Podcast

Jun 19
Dwarkesh Podcast

Dwarkesh Podcast

Jun 19
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Arthur Kroeber is a leading researcher on Chinese tech and macro, a founding partner at Gavekal Dragonomics, and author of "China's Economy: What Everyone Needs to Know." It's the most useful, detailed resource I've found of how China actually works. On t...

Highlights

Arthur Kroeber, a leading researcher on Chinese tech and macroeconomics, discusses the complexities of U.S.-China relations. The conversation delves into China's dominance in high-tech manufacturing, its economic strategies, and the challenges it faces. Kroeber emphasizes the importance of understanding China's unique approach to industrial policy and the necessity for a constructive relationship between the two global powers.
12:46
US should invite Chinese industrial investment to revitalize its industrial base
24:52
In 2018, the Chinese government allowed Tesla to build a gigafactory in Shanghai.
42:27
China learned from Japan's and Korea's past financial problems by keeping its financial and industrial systems separate.
55:22
Inflation can help erode real value of debt and aid repayment
57:28
China's growth model may hinder broader investment
1:24:48
China balances growth with control through enabling infrastructure.
1:36:26
The speaker believes the Chinese will likely favor high-speed AI development, similar to their stance on the internet in the 90s.
1:43:34
Establishing high-trust communication between the US and China in AI is critical.
2:10:08
China is like a turbulent ocean with deep-seated ideas.
2:21:25
China needs a more balanced economic model due to rising financial constraints from over-focusing on the supply-side.

Chapters

We should reconcile with China
00:00
BYD, Tesla, & Chinese EV industry
21:21
Will China have a Japan-style financial crisis?
36:05
Local debt situation is manageable
44:39
If CCP is so competent, why isn’t China richer?
57:28
How China keeps tech under control
1:05:08
Does China win AI?
1:33:45
Communication with China key for AI safety
1:43:34
What foreigners get wrong about China
2:10:08
China-US relationship future
2:17:32

Transcript

Dwarkesh Patel: Today, I'm interviewing Arthur Kroeber, who is the founder of Gavekal Dragonomics, which is a research consultancy focused on China and author of China's Economy, What Everyone Needs to Know. A friend, while I was in China, recommended it t...